Stat Ideas

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that makes little sense.........a quality start majority of the time will result in a win. if it doesnt theres a good chance you also dont get the win. essentially majority of the time your just duplicating wins, what is the point in that?

xbh is a little different in which you at least are collecting a stat for doubles & triples which we dont have but even that duplicates stats as it will affect hrs, .avg & .ops

when we added stats after our inaugural season of the DHL we added blockedshots & hits, 2 stats that have no correlation to any other stat. 

i dont understand the urgency and the willingness to add stats for the DBL

[Garrett - Cardinals]

In standard Roto leagues where your just counting year long stats yes you are probably just duplicating stats. Weekly head to head though there are plenty of times I will win QS but not Wins. Last year Kershaw had 26 QS, 16 wins. Like I said, I'm totally fine either way. I can make the argument both ways. I don't think anyone is "urgent" to change stats. This is simply an open discussion on whether we should add or change stats. I have had good experience using QS in my leagues so I like that as an option. I'd be just as content keeping as is though. I actually favor leagues with less cats. Chris and I are in a league that is 20 X 20 and I think it is retarded lol.

[Chris - Expos]

And I am opposite, as long as it is a new, different cat. If it was up to me, I wouldn't add QS or EBH, but simply adding doubles + triples as one extra category...give the less powerful hitters more value.

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QS best example for me would be.. Chris Sale?

200+ ip, 200+ Ks, solid ERA, solid WHIP

Definitely an Ace.. Usually a quality start.. Shit team who blows games late.. Only a 10-15 win guy now. But he has 20+ QS so it makes him even more useful.

Now use the same equation for mid rotation and even aces on low end teams that just don't get wins.

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theres only a handful of pitchers that are like chris sale in the entire league though. in a h2h league your only gonna get 1-2 starts a week from him anyways.

ive been in leagues that have quality starts in h2h and generally you usually get the same amount of QS and wins in a week, sometimes you get a little more then the other but should that qualify as another stat?
i dont think so

[Chris - Expos]

Shouldn't we address adding either extra base hits, quality starts or both before the draft?

[Josh - Rangers]

any stat additions won't be implemented for one full season. so its not a huge rush (We have til the start of the season to decide whether to implement it for the following season) The reason we wait an entire year is it allows all teams an equal chance to formulate strategy, evaluate trades, etc knowing that changes are coming and doesn't handicap teams as much who never had players who would benefit from the switch.

With this in mind my opinion would be to add Extra Base hits and not quality starts. For extra base hits I'd limit it to doubles and triples which to me wouldn't interfere with homeruns, hitting % etc. QS to me has too many duplicate stats effected.

[Chris - Expos]

Which means doing it before the draft would be important since we will be drafting players now for when this rule will apply..

[Chris - Expos]

This isn't a stat idea, but a roster idea. And in my opinion, it is a big enough issue and one we can vote on and issue right away...since it is not a stat.

For those of you in the DHL, you will understand where I am coming from. In the DHL, a prospect is eligible for 164 games...exactly two seasons, if played every game...and the goalies, I believe 80 games, which is 2-3 seasons...

Here, it is 200 GP, which is a touch over one season and the pitchers, 175 IP, which is equivalent to 30 starts at 5-6 innings...pretty much one season.

Most players need to play in MLB for a while to become somebody...they are not all Kyle Schwarber!

We have only had the DBL for one season and there are already enough players close to having no choice but to be called up. Shouldn't we do the same as the DHL and give roughly two seasons...324 games plus 350 IP for pitchers?

Makes a ton of sense to me...we can all develop our own teams better. What do you guys think?

[Josh - Rangers]

Id vote against it, 200 gps and 175 IPs are more than enough. It helps build parity in the league and makes it more competative year after year. If your a championahip calibre team and have some fringe guys losing prospect eligibility it will require you to use them or trade them. It helps create movement, league activity, but most importantly a means for lower seeded teams to rebuild on the fly.

Id prefer the DHL to reduce the # of allowed games actually. Most goalies wont hit 84 games before they are 27, and 164 games is more than enough time to determine if a prospect will be worth keeping. Only 5% of drafted players ever play that many games.

Just an opinion, so everyone is more than welcome to discuss!

[Darren - Red Sox]

I agree with Josh. It makes the league much more competitive. I think the prospects in the DHL stay prospect eligible far too long. I'd vote no too.

[Chris - Expos]

Sounds good. I was thinking more, if we do it in one we should do it in the other...I like the idea of waiting for our own draft picks to develop, like in "real" sports...where some players take longer than others, but both of your responses make sense.

[Biz - Twins]

in the future maybe we can consider lowering the eligibility criteria... right now you can essentially hold 2 active lineups on your team.......maybe something less then 200 games for a every day player.. 200 games is a full year and a half of baseball.. thats about 800 at bats..the real minor league eligibility is 130 at bats ... our eligibility is more then 6x the regular amount. 175 innings pitched is 3 and a half times the regular amount..and having the age limit at 27.. you can have a 4 year veteran pitcher sitting in your minor leagues

[Drew - Dodgers]

I do agree. 500 at bats is more than reasonable.... but then again it's very similar to our insanely high hockey prospect rules.

[Chris - Expos]

I am surprised, I didn't think that two seasons worth to give a players time to develop was that long...